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Post by Janice Dickinson on Mar 26, 2012 20:02:13 GMT -7
God knows we aren't perfect judges, but we want to make your playing experience as fun, but educational as possible. We are looking to receive feedback on our judging squads - Both male and female cycles - in order for each of us to improve our judging.
You may post in this thread, or PM Lana (or me) directly if you wish to remain anonymous, and she will forward your critique on to the other judges.
The critique may be on one judge (Lana, Amanda, Janice, Zooey or Morgan), or our team as a whole. Any if you have ideas you have to make Lana's competition better, let her know.
So just to go through that.
Post here, or PM Lana (or me if you feel comfortable), if you wish to remain anonymous, for your critique on our judging.
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Post by Morgan Freeman on Mar 27, 2012 1:17:51 GMT -7
Letting the models, judge the judges judging...now that seems like a prospective film that I could narrate
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Post by Janice Dickinson on Mar 27, 2012 1:27:14 GMT -7
Will you give the narrating a rest for just ONE day?
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Post by Lana Del Ray on Mar 27, 2012 19:25:56 GMT -7
I hope I didn't get lot of PM from the models telling me that Morgan 'harassed' them
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Post by Morgan Freeman on Mar 27, 2012 21:26:09 GMT -7
No-one appreciates my talent anymore  |
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Post by Sarah Wayne Callies on Mar 28, 2012 10:44:12 GMT -7
I gave my opinion on the male site  |
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Post by Rose Byrne on Mar 28, 2012 16:02:35 GMT -7
Ditto
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Post by Janice Dickinson on Mar 28, 2012 19:37:22 GMT -7
I'm going to make a checklist for everyone here. Admittedly, I've stolen part of it from January. As you know, each judge likes different things. So why not make a check list?
Lana: Is there eye contact? If so, how strong is it? If not, does it add an extra element to the photo?
Amanda: Is there anything distracting in the way? Is the photo generally pleasing to the eye?
Janice: Is there enough emphasis on fashion? How strong is the modelling part of the photo?
Zooey: Does the photo fit the theme? Is your description convincing?
Morgan: Are you selling the outfit? Are you doing enough to make me want you(r clothes)?
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Post by Amanda Lee Kimmel on Mar 30, 2012 15:41:32 GMT -7
If I may... Janice, this is all I have to say to you:  |
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Post by January Jones on Mar 30, 2012 16:28:46 GMT -7
Alright, let's give a crack at this. Compared to most of you, I'm relatively new to the series, but I have been fortunate enough to experience the game on both sides of the judging table. For the most part, I think this series is absolutely fantastic, but there are still a couple things I've noticed that could be looked at:
1. Limit the amount of reserved slots. This season, all but two slots were filled before the board was even open. It's fabulous that so many players like the series enough to participate in virtually all of them, but it's also nice to give outsiders the chance to join in on the fun. I think that if you limited the amount of reserved slots, and advertised your game for a few days to bring in some new blood, it would be great for the series. If you don't want to limit the number of reserved slots, then you could try something a few other series have done, where you allow an unlimited amount of players to join, but the first round's photoshoot will bring the cast down to the size you have planned.
2. Give more notice for upcoming shoots. I love the "Tyra Mail" in this game, but it has basically become pointless because it's usually posted just a few hours or so before the actual photoshoot. If you gave more notice (and gave a specific time in the cases where the girls need to be present to sign up for a specific category in a theme), I think it would help out the players greatly.
3. Judges need to realize they are the face of the game. 99% of the time, I think the judges do an all-around phenomenal job at staying "professional", but there have been times when there have been "feuds" between certain judges, and it actually starts affecting the game as a whole. If judges are openly bashing each other and critisizing each other's choices, the players begin thinking they need to choose a side, and if they do stick up for one of them, they run the risk of the other judge giving bad critiques or low rankings merely out of spite. I am NOT saying this has actually happened yet, but the more that the judges air their dirty laundry for all the players to see, the more opportunities there are for it to influence the game in a negative way. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fun and entertaining when judges go at it in a playful way, but when things start getting real, I think the conversation should move to the Production Lounge, so it doesn't get awkward for the players.
4. Post rules. There has been an ongoing debate as to what is allowed with Photoshop, how extensions work, what is accepted as far as candid / screenshots, and what is expected when it comes to logos, text, and image sizes. For the most part, rules in this series haven't been necessary because virtually all of the models and judges have participated in this series for quite some time, but I think it would be very helpful if there was a firm list of rules for both the players and judges to refer to when questions do arise.
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Post by Mariah Carey on Mar 31, 2012 7:25:53 GMT -7
I am going to have to piggyback on January's third point. I honestly had no fun last round because BOTH AMANDA AND JANICE WERE BITCHING TO ME ABOUT EACH OTHER. You guys are judges, and while I am friends with you, in order for this game to be completely fair, you guys need to keep an objective opinion of not only the players, but each other.
The fighting is catty, and I thought a lot about quitting because the game was getting to an ugly place. I decided that instead of quitting, I would throw the shoot so the other 6 girls could continue playing. As you all have witnessed, that didn't work. I can assure you that this coming round, I will not be throwing the shoot, but I hope this is a WAKE UP CALL to the judges that you guys need to communicate, and stop having these catty arguments that involves the players.
I understand that admitting that I threw a photoshoot on purpose probably puts me in a lot of danger of being eliminated, but let's face it, I have the worst record anyway. I'll take this hit if it'll better the series.
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Post by Amanda Lee Kimmel on Mar 31, 2012 8:29:46 GMT -7
I'm done with this drama but since J-Dick can't let it go, I can't either.
Take that how you will.
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Post by Zooey Deschanel on Mar 31, 2012 9:02:26 GMT -7
4. Post rules. There has been an ongoing debate as to what is allowed with Photoshop, how extensions work, what is accepted as far as candid / screenshots, and what is expected when it comes to logos, text, and image sizes. For the most part, rules in this series haven't been necessary because virtually all of the models and judges have participated in this series for quite some time, but I think it would be very helpful if there was a firm list of rules for both the players and judges to refer to when questions do arise. I do think this would help. I think the Male Cycle is much more lax about this as there, we've been known to accept screenshots as long as they look like they still could be from a modeling shoot. I'm pretty sure we still count off for actual candid shots, though. As far as Photoshop, that'd also be a nice line to have defined. Someone said in the Male Cycle that they think it'd be unfair for someone to use Photoshop to impose a new background on a picture, but I see no problem with that. My first game in this series, I used Photoshop to create a Magazine Cover and Spread from scratch since my model had no useable photos for that week. Taylor Swift also created her magazine cover for All Stars. There have also been instances where recoloring has been praised. Namely, Taylor Swift's Gluttony photo from her original Cycle. I've even used Photoshop for small things like removing the bags under my model's eyes and taking a run out of her stockings. The times that using Photoshop on a photo has been taken in a negative light is when the work is sloppy (my Spring photo last Cycle), or it looks like you took your model's head and put it on someone else's body. When it comes to text, once again, I think the Male Cycle is more lax, but I think it mainly comes down to if the text is distracting. The week that someone went off and threw a hissy fit about there being text in photos, the text wasn't really that obvious. Especially not in Matthew Morrison's picture. It was barely noticeable, so I didn't count off for it. That was once again a judge's discretion thing. I do think it'll help to have these things more clearly defined, though. It'll definitely help the models so that a picture doesn't get praised/criticized for/despite one of these elements and have the other models get upset because they thought it wasn't/was allowed. |
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Post by Zooey Deschanel on Mar 31, 2012 9:04:55 GMT -7
Oh, and the judges openly arguing does make me uncomfortable, too. It could also be that I'm just not really a confrontational person, but when I see open and constant arguing, it makes me want to not stick around. That goes for players arguing, too, but this is a game, so I know to expect to see players arguing about something, so I've accepted that  |
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Post by Amanda Lee Kimmel on Mar 31, 2012 9:07:42 GMT -7
Zooey - I'm not sure if I want to stick around, either, given someone's constant desires to make me look bad and try to bicker with me for no reason. That's taking all the fun out of this for me, and when I go and post a playful video... I get yelled at by someone I thought was my friend, but actually isn't.
I'm just at one of those times in my life right now, and having an antagonizer sticking around is just disheartening...
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